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VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 01-01-2020 at 07:23 am

I've seen this happen several times but this one takes the cake; 5 postings of the same tasting note from one user SherryDrone on the Bunnahabhain 1988 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/141596/1988 

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Slàinte Mhath
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 01-01-2020 at 11:13 am

I've seen this happen several times but this one takes the cake; 5 postings of the same tasting note from one user SherryDrone on the Bunnahabhain 1988 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/141596/1988 


Fixed. This may not be intentional, as sometimes the connection lags and you hit save several times without response, but in fact you submit the review more than once.

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VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 01-01-2020 at 18:59 pm

I've seen this happen several times but this one takes the cake; 5 postings of the same tasting note from one user SherryDrone on the Bunnahabhain 1988 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/141596/1988 


Fixed. This may not be intentional, as sometimes the connection lags and you hit save several times without response, but in fact you submit the review more than once.

I agree It's happened to me to where mine have uploaded twice. The problem with this issue is when I've go to delete one of the duplicates both get eliminated and I have to redo all my notes to upload again. 

  Edited on 03-01-2020 at 03:57 am
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lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 01-01-2020 at 19:38 pm

Slàinte Mhath wrote:

VaryingViewpoint wrote:

I've seen this happen several times but this one takes the cake; 5 postings of the same tasting note from one user SherryDrone on the Bunnahabhain 1988 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/141596/1988 


Fixed. This may not be intentional, as sometimes the connection lags and you hit save several times without response, but in fact you submit the review more than once.


I agree it may not be intentional as sometimes the connection is really slow but in the last few months it happens regularly, we are seeing 4 or 5  ratings/reviews from the same member in quick succession.

Could it be that new members think that posting 4 or 5 times for the same bottle will push up the ratings score, perhaps they do not know how the site works only recording one no matter how many times you rate etc,

Just a thought because it is happening daily almost, someone was doing it earlier and yesterday or the day before there was 5 or 6 for something else.

Dirk
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 02-01-2020 at 19:08 pm

Record amount of visitors between 22nd and 31st of December could have had impact on the performance. We are talking 800+ active users at the same moment. Although performance was ok it might have had impact.


We are planning a migration to amazon cloud later on this year to be able to scale when needed. We should keep an eye out for the duplicatie notes. It would be very helpful to post them in this thread so we can have a look at the logs.

Tasting notes are my own and personal opinion. You might like something else....
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 15-01-2020 at 17:37 pm

whiskybahnhof  has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/129922/smws-29260 

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Dirk
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 15-01-2020 at 18:57 pm

whiskybahnhof  has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/129922/smws-29260 


Thanks! Looks like they always are at the exact same time. Next week I will do a scan to see if we can match these in the database and do a cleanup. And check if it still occurs. 

Tasting notes are my own and personal opinion. You might like something else....
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 16-01-2020 at 07:19 am

Dirk wrote:

VaryingViewpoint wrote:

whiskybahnhof  has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/129922/smws-29260 


Thanks! Looks like they always are at the exact same time. Next week I will do a scan to see if we can match these in the database and do a cleanup. And check if it still occurs. 

Yes, that's correct because when your finished writing out your notes and hit "Save Note"  there is a delay, so one tends to hit "Save Note" again thinking the first time didn't work. That's happened to me a couple of times where I've hit "Save Note" and waited thinking it's not working so I hit it again. I can see why some with hit "Save Note"  multiple times thinking it's not working due to a delay in it posting your notes. 

This is why there are duplicate notes, because of the lag in the function of "Save Note" can be confusing to most. Unless you post enough notes to realize that there is a lag before your note is posted, most will try hitting "Save Note" again and again. I would estimate that the lag time is 2-5 seconds before you realize that your note is saved. To most people, unless it's instant or within 1-2 seconds they will assume they did not click on the "Save Note" properly and hit it again.

If  clicking on "Save Note" can't work any faster then you might want to implement something the indicate to the user that it's in process of saving their notes if there is a waiting time for it to post.

  Edited on 16-01-2020 at 07:31 am
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Dirk
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 16-01-2020 at 10:11 am

That is a lot of lag, I have usually around 0,2 seconds lag. Which is still not great but would not trigger me to hit the save button again.


Thanks!

Tasting notes are my own and personal opinion. You might like something else....
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 17-01-2020 at 02:54 am

effry35 has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/137030/1978

His notes consist of "Great" and rated 100.


There is a nonsensical note by hhc1212  on the same link you might want to look at.

  Edited on 17-01-2020 at 03:52 am
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Dirk
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 17-01-2020 at 10:44 am

effry35 has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/137030/1978

His notes consist of "Great" and rated 100.


There is a nonsensical note by hhc1212  on the same link you might want to look at.


Thanks, well this is interesting: with all the rules we have thought of and all the triggers we have to mark something. Both accounts would not be marked as suspicious. One of both the accounts is a member for 9 years... Just showing how hard it is to decide if a note/rating would be suspicious or not.

Tasting notes are my own and personal opinion. You might like something else....
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 18-01-2020 at 07:01 am

coppernicus has duplicate rating in the notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/42277/glenfarclas-1983 


Dris & Jörn Krzizok have duplicate ratings in the notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/102067 

  Edited on 18-01-2020 at 15:51 pm
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VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 18-01-2020 at 23:17 pm

coppernicus has duplicate rating in the notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/42277/glenfarclas-1983 

Totoro has duplicate rating in the notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/138114/30-year-old


DB1965 has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/36056/cask-strength 

  Edited on 18-01-2020 at 23:53 pm
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Dirk
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 19-01-2020 at 14:22 pm

I have enough examples now wink thanks!

We will look into this with the developers.

Tasting notes are my own and personal opinion. You might like something else....
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 20-01-2020 at 05:41 am

Dirk wrote:

I have enough examples now wink thanks!

We will look into this with the developers.

Okay, I just thought that by posting them here they were going to be manually fixed.

I'll post these last one as it's a triple posting of the same note that popped up this evening by Anandamide93 on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/61891/12-year-old

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mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 20-01-2020 at 21:27 pm

VaryingViewpoint wrote:

Dirk wrote:

VaryingViewpoint wrote:

whiskybahnhof  has duplicate notes on https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/129922/smws-29260 


Thanks! Looks like they always are at the exact same time. Next week I will do a scan to see if we can match these in the database and do a cleanup. And check if it still occurs. 

Yes, that's correct because when your finished writing out your notes and hit "Save Note"  there is a delay, so one tends to hit "Save Note" again thinking the first time didn't work. That's happened to me a couple of times where I've hit "Save Note" and waited thinking it's not working so I hit it again. I can see why some with hit "Save Note"  multiple times thinking it's not working due to a delay in it posting your notes. 

This is why there are duplicate notes, because of the lag in the function of "Save Note" can be confusing to most. Unless you post enough notes to realize that there is a lag before your note is posted, most will try hitting "Save Note" again and again. I would estimate that the lag time is 2-5 seconds before you realize that your note is saved. To most people, unless it's instant or within 1-2 seconds they will assume they did not click on the "Save Note" properly and hit it again.

If  clicking on "Save Note" can't work any faster then you might want to implement something the indicate to the user that it's in process of saving their notes if there is a waiting time for it to post.

I was thinking this as well.  When I'm developing code, with regards to buttons the first thing I ALWAYS do is disable/gray-out the button as soon as it's clicked, before doing anything else.  It would depend on your coding infrastructure but if you could do something like this it would resolve the repeat button presses.   same with posting comment buttons and what-not.

mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 20-01-2020 at 21:33 pm

There is another scenario that could be responsible for some duplicates.  If you rate and save, then change your mind and alter your rate and save again, you get duplicates and may not realize it.   Therefore another possible fix might be to add a special-case where if the user already has a rating for a specific bottle and then rates it again, pop up a warning that asks if they do indeed want to add an extra rating or just want to revise the original rating.

peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 21-01-2020 at 03:21 am

mrgood wrote:

There is another scenario that could be responsible for some duplicates.  If you rate and save, then change your mind and alter your rate and save again, you get duplicates and may not realize it.   Therefore another possible fix might be to add a special-case where if the user already has a rating for a specific bottle and then rates it again, pop up a warning that asks if they do indeed want to add an extra rating or just want to revise the original rating.


I think the button lag is the reason for duplicate notes on a bottle page.

Waiting 5-6 seconds before the box disappears is something I got used to, but new users may not.

I have however never experienced to have a note save as a duplicate one after editing.

What I have noticed is on editing that it comes up in the users tracker as a new note/rate.

That's why you sometimes in friends activity can see that "X has rated -bottle- with 89 points" repeated several times. But when checking that bottle there is only one review by that person.

Slàinte Mhath
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 21-01-2020 at 09:45 am

That's why you sometimes in friends activity can see that "X has rated -bottle- with 89 points" repeated several times. But when checking that bottle there is only one review by that person.


Yes, when you EDIT a tasting note (correcting typos etc.) and the calculated score is having numbers after the comma/period, you repeatedly see that xxx rated yyy with zz points. If you score a whisky: nose 80, taste 81, finish 82, the average is 81 and the message (and earned points) do NOT show up again, but if you rate nose 81, taste 81, finish 82, then the score is 81.33333 and this triggers the message (and earned points) as often as you edit in your activity feed.

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VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 17-02-2020 at 20:18 pm

Sorry, but this one https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/139657/21-year-old-sms has 4 by Denzellx .

And this one https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/114302 has 11 by Igitor  

  Edited on 17-02-2020 at 20:49 pm
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urs
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 07-03-2021 at 07:47 am

Four times the same note/rating from one user with the same timestamp (doesn't affect over all bottle rating, just spews the page):

https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/89092/laphroaig-1990-mcc


Slàinte Mhath
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 07-03-2021 at 09:26 am
urs wrote:

Four times the same note/rating from one user with the same timestamp (doesn't affect over all bottle rating, just spews the page):

https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/89092/laphroaig-1990-mcc


Fixed.

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