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louich
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 16-07-2020 at 17:03 pm

Found a version of the black art 7.1 that is a cask strenght, single cask and a 8500 release veriosn. I ask to delete it and the admins wont ( even if the pic of the said bottle has a 12000 release written on it) 


There is also the same gamic with a 6.1 showing it is a cask stenght product...


I would like for some knowledgable member to be able to actually ask for deletion of those bottles, it confuses people, give a bad count for the actual data base. 

Any other bottles like this you guys found that are an impossible version ? 

lets make a list 


(resolved) Black art 7.1 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/138886

False info: 8500 bottle, cask strenght, single cask lol

Black art 6.1 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/112493/bruichladdich-black-art-061

False info: Cask strenght


Black art 5.1 https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/95045/bruichladdich-black-art-051

False info: cask strenght and single cask 


  Edited on 16-07-2020 at 21:55 pm
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peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 16-07-2020 at 20:16 pm

Looks like Schmausel removed cask strength and single cask from the 7.1 earlier today.

I corrected the bottle count from 8500 to 12000.

The bottle seems to be legit, it has a bottle code assigned after first registering.

The Black Art and the Octomores can have several bottling dates and hence different bottle codes. There may be more than a year between bottlings, and the bottle count is an estimate for the total bottles from a batch. If the whole batch is not bottled at once, the remaining is stored in steel tanks. When 750ml bottles are filled for the American market the bottle count is the total number of bottles regardless of 700 or 750ml.


I also removed the cask strength from the 6.1

This is also a different bottle code.


The 5.1 is a 750ml bottle.

Removed CS and SC from this as well.

Schmausel
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 16-07-2020 at 21:02 pm

Peatbogger is the right man for your questions as he is the specialist for that area happy


@louich

please always go over change requests so your suggestions get reviewed but the responsible persons 

louich
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 16-07-2020 at 21:58 pm

Thanks guys !  


Peat bogger we'll talk next time I see a strange thing. 


that said, I was under the impression that 12000 bottles is the total of bottled BA not considering the batch, am I in the wrong ? ( if so there is more than 20 000 bottles for this edition right?)

Drinking alcohol wont solve my problems, but neither will milk !
peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 17-07-2020 at 00:22 am

louich wrote:

that said, I was under the impression that 12000 bottles is the total of bottled BA not considering the batch, am I in the wrong ? ( if so there is more than 20 000 bottles for this edition right?)


Not sure what you mean by "total bottles of BA".

But to give an example, the 4.1 was the first with widely spread bottling dates.

I think I registered the second bottle code for this edition, and those of us that care about these details started checking bottles, and there's now 7 bottle codes in addition to the default one.

First bottled mid 2013 in 700 and 750ml versions.

Then another 700ml bottling in September the same year.

Further 2 bottlings in 2014, and finally 3 bottlings in 2015, all 700ml.

All bottlings have the same ABV and the same age statement, as they have been stored in either steel tanks or completely depleted and inactive casks.

All bottles also states 6000 bottles, and that's the total for edition 4.1 which means all casks were mixed together in early 2013, the number of bottles they could get was calculated from the volume they mixed and then bottled on 8 different dates over more than 3 years.

This is the written explanation given from Bruichladdich, but they did not say why they do it this way. I guess it is to not flood the market and in that way create higher demand. And having the whisky sit in a tank is both safer and space saving in comparison to have it in bottles for several years.


They have either abandoned this practice, or we can expect 5.1/6.1/7.1 to be popping up with irregular intervals in coming years, as these are stated with 12k/18k bottles and so far only 2 different bottlings each.

holborndrinker
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 17-07-2020 at 17:18 pm

The distillery notes state that these are CS bottlings: see for example the Notes on the 6.1:

"– Sixth in limited edition series

– Adam’s second Black Art release

– Vintage 1990

– 26 years old

– Unpeated Islay single malt Scotch whisky

– Cask type – only Adam knows

– Cask strength of 46.9%

– 18,000 individually numbered bottles

– Matured entirely on Islay

– Non-chill filtered and colouring free"

https://www.bruichladdich.com/laddie-shop/bruichladdich/bruichladdich-black-art-1990-edition-06-1/


If you spot an error you can always use the "edit button" to report proposed changes.

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louich
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 17-07-2020 at 19:29 pm

peatbogger wrote:

louich wrote:

that said, I was under the impression that 12000 bottles is the total of bottled BA not considering the batch, am I in the wrong ? ( if so there is more than 20 000 bottles for this edition right?)


Not sure what you mean by "total bottles of BA".

But to give an example, the 4.1 was the first with widely spread bottling dates.

I think I registered the second bottle code for this edition, and those of us that care about these details started checking bottles, and there's now 7 bottle codes in addition to the default one.

First bottled mid 2013 in 700 and 750ml versions.

Then another 700ml bottling in September the same year.

Further 2 bottlings in 2014, and finally 3 bottlings in 2015, all 700ml.

All bottlings have the same ABV and the same age statement, as they have been stored in either steel tanks or completely depleted and inactive casks.

All bottles also states 6000 bottles, and that's the total for edition 4.1 which means all casks were mixed together in early 2013, the number of bottles they could get was calculated from the volume they mixed and then bottled on 8 different dates over more than 3 years.

This is the written explanation given from Bruichladdich, but they did not say why they do it this way. I guess it is to not flood the market and in that way create higher demand. And having the whisky sit in a tank is both safer and space saving in comparison to have it in bottles for several years.


They have either abandoned this practice, or we can expect 5.1/6.1/7.1 to be popping up with irregular intervals in coming years, as these are stated with 12k/18k bottles and so far only 2 different bottlings each.


very clear! 

I meant ( and you read right) that I was under the dreaded impresison that each batch was a xxxx tousand release when I always taken for grated that the numbers were for the whole dition ( you just confirmed I was not out of it) 



Drinking alcohol wont solve my problems, but neither will milk !
louich
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 17-07-2020 at 19:31 pm

The distillery notes state that these are CS bottlings: see for example the Notes on the 6.1:

"– Sixth in limited edition series

– Adam’s second Black Art release

– Vintage 1990

– 26 years old

– Unpeated Islay single malt Scotch whisky

– Cask type – only Adam knows

– Cask strength of 46.9%

– 18,000 individually numbered bottles

– Matured entirely on Islay

– Non-chill filtered and colouring free"

https://www.bruichladdich.com/laddie-shop/bruichladdich/bruichladdich-black-art-1990-edition-06-1/


If you spot an error you can always use the "edit button" to report proposed changes.


Never noticed, that said 46.x% for a 26 yro CS is low, no? 

Drinking alcohol wont solve my problems, but neither will milk !
Harvey
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 17-07-2020 at 19:38 pm

It's kinda low, but there could have been some under proof casks involved in the vatting, right?

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