Japan specialists - nikka problem

Bachess
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 16-10-2015 at 15:02 pm

Hi Japan specialist,

I' m wondering why some of the Yoichi or Miyagikio bottlings are called Nikka bottlings instead of the distillery name. I prefer the name of the distillery so everybody can see where its from.

So, what's the reason of calling the bottlings Nikka if the name of the distillery is on the label?

Thanks, Menno

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RoyalScotsman
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 16-10-2015 at 16:07 pm

Beause the brand is Nikka. There is Nikka Whisky with almost the same label but without any distillery mentioned. Therefore we add all bottles that have "Nikka" on the label to the brand Nikka. If a distillery is mentioned we also add them to the distillery. If we don't do that like this we have to check every distillery prior adding a new bottle to the base. Users sometimes do not tell the distillery name.
if you know the distillery you can search for the distillery name. If you don't know the distllery you can look at the brand page.

Bachess
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 16-10-2015 at 21:10 pm

Ok, i agree if there is no distillery mentioned on the label, but if you look here

https://www.whiskybase.com/whisky/5448/nikka-12-year-old

I think this is a Yoichi 12-year-old and not a Nikka. the label says Yoichi so why call it Nikka?

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alectron
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 17-10-2015 at 00:05 am

Isn't this the software's rules ?
i.e. if a Brand name is entered, which his correct here as it is stated on the label, then it takes precedence over the distillery name and will be the one displayed in the WB title I think...
I checked on Macduff with Glen Deveron, and if I enter Glen Deveron as a brand, I as a specialist have no means to define that Macduff is the name that should be shown instead...
The solution would be to offer multiple brand names maybe ?
But yes, it is cconfusing... it took me quite a while to find this guy as well:

https://www.whiskybase.com/whisky/5448/nikka-12-year-old

to leave a rate...
Cheerio.
c.

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alectron
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 17-10-2015 at 00:12 am

Also saw something odd - different parts of the website/activity stream seems to grab different fields:

Same bottle, 2 "Names" in the stream, one showing the brand, the other the distillery:


c.

  Edited on 17-10-2015 at 03:08 am
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RoyalScotsman
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 17-10-2015 at 08:44 am

I don't see the problem. If I look for the brand I go for the brand. If I look for a distillery I go for the distillery. On either way I will find these bottles. If we change that here, we can even change Longrow, Hazelburn, Port Charlotte, Octomore, ...
Also there Springbank or Bruichladdich is often mentioned on the labels.
And than I completely missunderstood the "new" system with the brands.

  Edited on 17-10-2015 at 08:45 am
alectron
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 17-10-2015 at 10:01 am

My guess is that Bachess, similar to me in case of the "Nikka 12yo", expected to find the bottle named in either list as "Yoichi 12yo". So there the success/size of the WB database also becomes its curse.
My interpretation would be similar though, that in this specific case, Yoichi is the "bigger"/more correct brand, and that it's a Nikka whisky is secondary to that.
For Longrow/PC/etc you are obviously correct, there the primary brand is its brand name and the distillery where its' produced is secondary information.
Hope that makes sense.
c.

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Bachess
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 17-10-2015 at 10:42 am

Yep, i agree with Alectron. If the name of the distillery is shown on the frontlabel ( and not on the backlabel like maybe Octomore r Port Charlotte) we must use that name for the whiskyname. Otherwise we must call the https://www.whiskybase.com/whisky/45887/taketsuru-21-year-old taketsuru also Nikka and i dont think thats a good idea. I believe we only have this 'problem' with the Japanese whiskies?

  Edited on 17-10-2015 at 11:38 am
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RoyalScotsman
Administrator Administrator
Posted on 17-10-2015 at 11:13 am

Don't agree! But I'm not the boss.

Clear rules without exceptions would be fine!

  Edited on 17-10-2015 at 11:14 am
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