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peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 02-02-2017 at 22:53 pm
karloff wrote:

Hard To Find Whisky is asking for a King's ransom for the new King's Glendronach - Signed by USA President Donald Trump - 1985 26 year old http://www.htfw.com/glendronach-signed-by-usa-president-donald-trump-1985-26-year-old

I thought Trump's brand name recognition was going in the toilet? I guess not when it comes to scotch!wink



Signed is the key word, it's only a matter of time before a lone gunman on a grassy knoll blows his wig off, then the value will go up.


You're giving people ideas here. Wouldn't that be something! 

He's not shot by a muslim extremist or an angry insulted feminist, but by a whisky collector just out to cash in on an investment happy
mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 02-02-2017 at 23:30 pm
karloff wrote:

Hard To Find Whisky is asking for a King's ransom for the new King's Glendronach - Signed by USA President Donald Trump - 1985 26 year old http://www.htfw.com/glendronach-signed-by-usa-president-donald-trump-1985-26-year-old

I thought Trump's brand name recognition was going in the toilet? I guess not when it comes to scotch!

Signed is the key word, it's only a matter of time before a lone gunman on a grassy knoll blows his wig off, then the value will go up.

You do know you just got us all flagged by the FBI.

Regarding the price, it isn't about "Donald Trump", it's about "the President of the United States", and I can't really blame them for trying to capitilize.  I'm sure if Harrison Ford ever pulled a Ron Reagan, my Indiana Jones bottle would skyrocket quite suddenly...

ding dong...
Who's there?
"FBI! We're coming in..."  Smash!
damn you Karloff!!!  happy
Whisky Hamster
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 03-02-2017 at 19:22 pm

@mrgood If it is true that you are allowed that one phone call in prison, please let us know where + when your seized whisky collection is going to be auctioned off. Thank you. XD

P.S. I hear Cuba is beautiful this time of year.

Oh Laphroaig, where art thou?
VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 13-06-2017 at 23:21 pm

Juul's Vin og Spiritus for their over zealousness in pricing a limited 12,000 bottling of Hazelburn Rundlets & Kilderkins https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/51516/hazelburn-rundlets-kilderkins.

Idiocy!

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lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 13-06-2017 at 23:50 pm

Juul's Vin og Spiritus for their over zealousness in pricing a limited 12,000 bottling of Hazelburn Rundlets & Kilderkins https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/51516/hazelburn-rundlets-kilderkins.

Idiocy!


There is a word to describe people like this, but I am too polite to say here but, in essence they do not deserve anyone's business period.

VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 15-06-2017 at 00:45 am

lincolnimp wrote:

VaryingViewpoint wrote:

Juul's Vin og Spiritus for their over zealousness in pricing a limited 12,000 bottling of Hazelburn Rundlets & Kilderkins https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/51516/hazelburn-rundlets-kilderkins.

Idiocy!


There is a word to describe people like this, but I am too polite to say here but, in essence they do not deserve anyone's business period.

The price on that bottle is so ridiculous, not even the speculators can look to this establishment as an indicator to where prices are going. Goofiness run amok.

  Edited on 15-06-2017 at 00:46 am
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lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 15-06-2017 at 11:38 am

I have just sent an enquiry off for the Balblair 1966 that is £7500. I have sought clarification as to whether the last zero was intentionally?

https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/4986/balblair-1966

cfosterk spotted this mammoth price in another thread.

VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 15-06-2017 at 12:54 pm

lincolnimp wrote:

I have just sent an enquiry off for the Balblair 1966 that is £7500. I have sought clarification as to whether the last zero was intentionally?

https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/4986/balblair-1966

cfosterk spotted this mammoth price in another thread.


I don't no, it might be legit! After all, it's "Just One of 2,400 rare bottles - comes complete with original wooden presentation tube." You have to admit, it's really rare, much rarer than even the 12,000 bottling of Hazelburn Rundlets & Kilderkins that peatbogger brought to our attention in "Is the whisky madness growing?".


Maybe we just all live in our own little bubbles and our understanding of what "rare" is is warped in some way? I used to think "rare" was more appropriate with single cask releases, you know, 600 bottles or less? I guess my idea of what "rare" is was skewed all this time? And while I'm at it what is "limited and "exclusive" mean anymore? All theses price-pushers are creating havoc with the definitions of the english language. Covfefe.

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lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 15-06-2017 at 20:26 pm

Actually the initial release was 2400 bottles but they issued some more after that certainly up to 3000 because I had a bottle at either 2800`s or 2900`s and checked at the distillery, they believed they did an extra run but could not confirm.

I purchased

This is the reply I got from Matt on Malt

`Hello , I've seen a bottle change hands for £7.5K at auction! Happy to hold out for a while, Matt`

In the UK and Europe no bottle has hit 4 figures but 2 bottles have almost (1 in equivalent euro price), I think he must have seen an auction in Hong Kong dollars?

He will be waiting for at least 10 years at that price , but hey, he`s an expert right?


Edit

The expert says its definitely gone for £7500 at auction and there lies the problem with the whisky world in general. Prices are based on untruths and misconceptions by people who call themselves experts in the field of whisky and in my humble opinion many of these so called experts actually know next to nothing about what they are supposed to be expert in.

  Edited on 16-06-2017 at 01:56 am
WhiskyLovingPianist
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 16-06-2017 at 05:32 am

 jazzpianofingers Note 23 Apr 2014 2:35 pm


Only 2400 bottles produced? I have bottle number 2622 here.


The box, packaging, bottle and linear notes are immaculate so forgery at this level wouldn't be worth the effort.

Does anyone else have a bottle numbered higher than 2400?



Eventually I got an answer from Balblair via the Gathering Place which clears up the mystery:


"We have investigated and can confirm that your Balblair Vintage 1966 is indeed genuine and was bottled on the 28th September 2004. Although, as you correctly note, there were only total of 2,400 bottles produced the numbers were in fact not sequential - hence why your bottle has a higher number. Hope this helps answer your query and enjoy".


Happy days!

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 16-06-2017 at 08:59 am

Here is 1966 with bottle number 2772 but its hand written?

 

https://www.whisky-onlineauctions.com/balblair-1966-2004-38-year-old-single-malt-scotch-whisky.html

Dyno
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 16-06-2017 at 14:06 pm

i know it's the thread to say it but whiskybase should add the feature of rating people's posts on this forum so i could five star this rare covfefe!

VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 15-10-2017 at 22:42 pm

I know Whisky Barrel has made more than one appearance here already. However they've earned the right to be here for as many times they earn the distinction at being the best at trying to lift prices to new heights.  Here is a perfect example; Springbank 21-year-old https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/84230/21-year-old There are already 4 available (not that hard to find) to purchase in the WB market place with a price range of €475,00 - € 675,00, if that is not already on the high side there is Whisky Barrel with the only online link asking  £899,99 which seems to me obscene; nothing extra special about this particular release, yes it's cask strength with a limit of 702 bottles, but I believe this is annual release from Springbank. If you missed it at retail last year get the next release instead.

This thread could be re-named "Whisky Barrel shamed".

  Edited on 15-10-2017 at 22:44 pm
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BenNevis
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 16-10-2017 at 22:27 pm

Disappointed to see this today. SMWS are normally good valve, you can pick up 25yo's for just over £100 but for a Macallan 27yo..... £980!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.smws.com/whisky/latest-outturn/meeting-an-old-master

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lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 16-10-2017 at 22:52 pm

BenNevis wrote:

Disappointed to see this today. SMWS are normally good valve, you can pick up 25yo's for just over £100 but for a Macallan 27yo..... £980!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.smws.com/whisky/latest-outturn/meeting-an-old-master


Totally agree but I am even more disappointed by the tasting notes :-

Description

T he whisky cascading into the glass was like a sunset over the Sahara dessert, burning the sky with a life-enhancing deep orange radiance. First nosing revealed an old artist’s studio with old easels and the smell of thick canvas and linseed and sandalwood oil. The blinds had been pulled shut to direct a single beam of sunlight through the darkness, illuminating a still life with stark contrasts. It intensified the vibrant colours of the oranges, prunes and dried apricots that had been carefully positioned beside a dusty bottle of tawny port and a glass of sweet Tokaji wine. The palate was also dark yet sweet with chocolate covered brazil nuts, macadamia nuts, figs, prunes and old leather. Then muscovado sugar, all spice and a finish of rye whisky with dark, strong coffee. After spending 25 years in an ex-oloroso butt this was transferred to a 1st fill pedro ximinez butt for the remainder of its maturation.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh what a load of BS, their notes are truly awful.

VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 17-10-2017 at 00:22 am

lincolnimp wrote:

BenNevis wrote:

Disappointed to see this today. SMWS are normally good valve, you can pick up 25yo's for just over £100 but for a Macallan 27yo..... £980!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.smws.com/whisky/latest-outturn/meeting-an-old-master


Totally agree but I am even more disappointed by the tasting notes :-

Description

T he whisky cascading into the glass was like a sunset over the Sahara dessert, burning the sky with a life-enhancing deep orange radiance. First nosing revealed an old artist’s studio with old easels and the smell of thick canvas and linseed and sandalwood oil. The blinds had been pulled shut to direct a single beam of sunlight through the darkness, illuminating a still life with stark contrasts. It intensified the vibrant colours of the oranges, prunes and dried apricots that had been carefully positioned beside a dusty bottle of tawny port and a glass of sweet Tokaji wine. The palate was also dark yet sweet with chocolate covered brazil nuts, macadamia nuts, figs, prunes and old leather. Then muscovado sugar, all spice and a finish of rye whisky with dark, strong coffee. After spending 25 years in an ex-oloroso butt this was transferred to a 1st fill pedro ximinez butt for the remainder of its maturation.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh what a load of BS, their notes are truly awful.

I've never read such over the top notes on a whisky in my life. Malarkey through and through! 

I have a feeling they are going for that "artsy fartsy" crowd.

I find this amusing that " After spending 25 years in an ex-oloroso butt this was transferred to a 1st fill pedro ximinez butt for the remainder of its maturation." So I guess transferring it to a 1st fill pedro ximinez butt (for finishing) was to counter the intense tannins that was a little over powering due to the 25yo maturation time from a third or fourth fill ex-oloroso butt?

So much more can be gleaned for what they are not saying.

  Edited on 17-10-2017 at 00:39 am
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dram_on
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 17-10-2017 at 03:45 am

SMWS has really gone down the drain for me...I boycott all the new bottlings and only selectively go for the older ones. Plus, there is still a lot of alternative IBs to choose from!!

dave3
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 17-10-2017 at 08:55 am

They still have 41 bottles left for sale this morning, whereas the Rosebank sold out almost immediately after the release. Clearly grossly overpriced.

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 17-10-2017 at 09:25 am
dave3 wrote:

They still have 41 bottles left for sale this morning, whereas the Rosebank sold out almost immediately after the release. Clearly grossly overpriced.


SMWS are no different to anyone else and they price accordingly per age statements following on from what the distilleries charge for their official releases.

Near enough £1000 for a single cask Macallan at 27 years, its the future sad

djmaxliving
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 17-10-2017 at 20:47 pm

Most places are taking the piss out of older bottling's of whisky and what they are asking for. £1000 could get you HP30 & HP25.


Whisky investors don't help matters and help increase older and harder to find bottling's. Can't wait till whisky boom is over, granted quite a bit to go before that happens. Looking at the prices of quite a few bourbons and rye's, tell me the whole spirit industry is in the boom phase. 

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 18-10-2017 at 09:48 am

I know Whisky Barrel has made more than one appearance here already. However they've earned the right to be here for as many times they earn the distinction at being the best at trying to lift prices to new heights.  Here is a perfect example; Springbank 21-year-old https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/84230/21-year-old There are already 4 available (not that hard to find) to purchase in the WB market place with a price range of €475,00 - € 675,00, if that is not already on the high side there is Whisky Barrel with the only online link asking  £899,99 which seems to me obscene; nothing extra special about this particular release, yes it's cask strength with a limit of 702 bottles, but I believe this is annual release from Springbank. If you missed it at retail last year get the next release instead.

This thread could be re-named "Whisky Barrel shamed".


I think the Whisky Barrel and The Whisky Vault prices should be removed from every bottle on whiskybase. The problem is they very often have the only bottle available because of a sky high price so the WB price is always ridiculously overpriced.

This causes people to think my bottle is worth blah, blah etc.

mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 18-10-2017 at 15:52 pm

lincolnimp wrote:

I think the Whisky Barrel and The Whisky Vault prices should be removed from every bottle on whiskybase. The problem is they very often have the only bottle available because of a sky high price so the WB price is always ridiculously overpriced.

This causes people to think my bottle is worth blah, blah etc.

To be fair, this is one case where I can't refute a crazy price.  When a dealer is the only one with an item (any item, not just whisky), they can name their price.  Until another seller pops up, a buyer is pretty much at the holder's mercy and will have to pony-up if they want the item.

(I still think the listed value should be the last price a bottle actually sold for, because THAT is what a bottle is worth, the amount someone was willing to pay for it... but alas, such a value is far too difficult to quantify)

  Edited on 18-10-2017 at 16:41 pm
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 18-10-2017 at 21:15 pm
mrgood wrote:

lincolnimp wrote:

I think the Whisky Barrel and The Whisky Vault prices should be removed from every bottle on whiskybase. The problem is they very often have the only bottle available because of a sky high price so the WB price is always ridiculously overpriced.

This causes people to think my bottle is worth blah, blah etc.

To be fair, this is one case where I can't refute a crazy price.  When a dealer is the only one with an item (any item, not just whisky), they can name their price.  Until another seller pops up, a buyer is pretty much at the holder's mercy and will have to pony-up if they want the item.

(I still think the listed value should be the last price a bottle actually sold for, because THAT is what a bottle is worth, the amount someone was willing to pay for it... but alas, such a value is far too difficult to quantify)


Are we on about last shop price or auction price, I think last auction price is a fair reflection but some bottles are very seldom in auction so perhaps last shop price is better.

Personally I think they should also list what the bottle was originally sold for then we can decide if the shop price is worth it or not relative to time, inflation and perceived taste etc.

BXpress
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 18-10-2017 at 21:50 pm

lincolnimp wrote:

mrgood wrote:

lincolnimp wrote:

I think the Whisky Barrel and The Whisky Vault prices should be removed from every bottle on whiskybase. The problem is they very often have the only bottle available because of a sky high price so the WB price is always ridiculously overpriced.

This causes people to think my bottle is worth blah, blah etc.

To be fair, this is one case where I can't refute a crazy price.  When a dealer is the only one with an item (any item, not just whisky), they can name their price.  Until another seller pops up, a buyer is pretty much at the holder's mercy and will have to pony-up if they want the item.

(I still think the listed value should be the last price a bottle actually sold for, because THAT is what a bottle is worth, the amount someone was willing to pay for it... but alas, such a value is far too difficult to quantify)


Are we on about last shop price or auction price, I think last auction price is a fair reflection but some bottles are very seldom in auction so perhaps last shop price is better.

Personally I think they should also list what the bottle was originally sold for then we can decide if the shop price is worth it or not relative to time, inflation and perceived taste etc.

A good example:


https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/2426/scapa-1980



I'm patiently waiting for this one to come up, lurking in my ninja suit. Last time it was in SWA it finished at 600 though.



  Edited on 21-10-2017 at 16:01 pm
VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 23-08-2018 at 22:21 pm

I know Jim Murray and his bible-thumping book has been named here on more than one occasion. However, I'm naming and shaming Jim Murray for corrupting the whisky drinking youth of the last decade or so. 

I feel Jim Murray is probably the biggest influence for over hyped and over rated whisky here on WB. Jim Murray is the rock star of whisky to the new whisky drinker (at least in North America anyways) and when Jim rates whiskies like he does; mundane in the 90-95 and good to not-so great in the 96 & up range, this may explain the rampant of high ratings here on WB.

Yes I know, new whisky drinkers tend to over rate early on in their whisky journey, but combined that with Jim and the way he rates whisky? Think about it for minute, Jim promotes (mostly) mundane to not very good whisky with sky high ratings through his books, some will agree with him due to ignorance, most won't. But, the floor has been set so now when these drinkers read Jim's books sip something better, what rating are they to give? 

Jim along with the industry as a whole have been shilling lower quality whisky at ever higher pricing along with a higher ratings floor to back it all up.

The only bottle I own that was a Jim Murray whisky of the year is Old Pulteney 21yo. I only purchased it to try when I heard it was being axed. I liked it so much I purchased more, but not because it has the "Whisky of the Year 2012" sticker on it at 96.5. I'm sure the batch that was rated by Jim was better than mine as is was many batches ago (I know that, but many new to whisky don't, they actually thinks it's all the same). 

So you have all these bottles like Crown Royal, Old Pulteney 21yo, Ardbeg Uigeadail and so on with theses "Whisky of the Year ?" stickers on them promoting these high ratings.  

There's your floor.

  Edited on 23-08-2018 at 22:54 pm
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