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karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 27-09-2016 at 23:46 pm

Big Sam, fat greedy bastard.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Tom Waits
mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 27-09-2016 at 23:53 pm
karloff wrote:

Big Sam, fat greedy bastard.

Amazing how things go.  In the end it turned out Sam resigning from Sunderland was the best thing that could've happened for the club, and just in the nick of time too, hey?

cfosterk
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 27-09-2016 at 23:58 pm

Honestly, theres always been something of the Arthur Daley to Sam - he's always courted scandals and got away with it to date

Football has been corrupted and allowed itself to be corrupted by money

Pay caps and transparency are they only way forward....

karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 28-09-2016 at 00:09 am
mrgood wrote:
karloff wrote:

Big Sam, fat greedy bastard.

Amazing how things go.  In the end it turned out Sam resigning from Sunderland was the best thing that could've happened for the club, and just in the nick of time too, hey?



You are right, 3 million a year isn't enough for the greedy fucker, I am losing heart with the premiership and modern football in general,I am seriously thinking about chucking in the towel, it's corrupt from top to bottom, it's all you hear about, fooballers are out of touch with reality, most of them spend more on a hair cut than I earn in a week. Kids stand outside the turnstiles every week with their buckets and ask US for money to support their clubs, it's all wrong and I'm sick of it. Sorry for the rant and off topic

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Tom Waits
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 28-09-2016 at 00:11 am
cfosterk wrote:

Honestly, theres always been something of the Arthur Daley to Sam - he's always courted scandals and got away with it to date

Football has been corrupted and allowed itself to be corrupted by money

Pay caps and transparency are they only way forward....


Football in general needs to take a leaf out of rugby football. Rugby players in the main give everything on the pitch (Union & League) yet in comparison to footballers get paid a pittance.
And they know how to sing their National Anthem in a proud rousing manner and play for the honour of the shirt.
karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 28-09-2016 at 00:34 am
cfosterk wrote:

Honestly, theres always been something of the Arthur Daley to Sam - he's always courted scandals and got away with it to date

Football has been corrupted and allowed itself to be corrupted by money

Pay caps and transparency are they only way forward....



Where there is money, there is corruption, even in the whisky industry.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Tom Waits
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 28-09-2016 at 09:28 am

True Karloff and there is a fine line between a legitimate push for profits and malpractice in any industry,

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 28-09-2016 at 09:32 am
I am going to nominate all the people responsible who put outlandish claims and spurious tasting notes on the bottles that go on sale to the general public.
Many of the tasting notes on the label bear absolutely no resemblance to what is in the bottle and some distillers and bottlers should be prosecuted under the Trade Descriptions Act.
VaryingViewpoint
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 29-09-2016 at 01:50 am

Just found this video review explaining the greatness of Macallan Rare Cask; 2min The Macallan Rare Cask - Fedway Whisky Review Series  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm6g7dvB6_0


Apparently we were all trained like dogs to consider a scotch based on age statement. Now we must not worry about NAS because Macallan is using their very very best casks in their warehouse for this release. 

The hyperbole that is expressed in "only the best of the best" goes into this NAS release. It's this kind of salesmanship that make me ill to the core! Seems like I'm the only one that gave this shmuck a thumbs down.
  Edited on 29-09-2016 at 03:16 am
One life... Drink it well
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 29-09-2016 at 08:56 am
What made me laugh was when he said the youngest whisky was 15-20 years old, let me tell you that if the youngest was approaching 20 years old Macallan would most definitely have put an age statement on it.
I have no doubt there are one or two older casks in the mix but I would also wager that there was also some as young as 10 years or even younger also in there.
Theoretically this could really be an 8 year old?
If distillers want to be trusted they should be made to disclose what casks are in the mix, then we would be able to see the true ratio of younger to older casks and decide for ourselves if the offering was worth the money.
  Edited on 29-09-2016 at 08:59 am
peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 29-09-2016 at 16:40 pm
lincolnimp wrote:
What made me laugh was when he said the youngest whisky was 15-20 years old, let me tell you that if the youngest was approaching 20 years old Macallan would most definitely have put an age statement on it.
I have no doubt there are one or two older casks in the mix but I would also wager that there was also some as young as 10 years or even younger also in there.
Theoretically this could really be an 8 year old?
If distillers want to be trusted they should be made to disclose what casks are in the mix, then we would be able to see the true ratio of younger to older casks and decide for ourselves if the offering was worth the money.


Got this from Compass Box a few days ago:

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 29-09-2016 at 17:05 pm
peatbogger wrote:
lincolnimp wrote:
What made me laugh was when he said the youngest whisky was 15-20 years old, let me tell you that if the youngest was approaching 20 years old Macallan would most definitely have put an age statement on it.
I have no doubt there are one or two older casks in the mix but I would also wager that there was also some as young as 10 years or even younger also in there.
Theoretically this could really be an 8 year old?
If distillers want to be trusted they should be made to disclose what casks are in the mix, then we would be able to see the true ratio of younger to older casks and decide for ourselves if the offering was worth the money.


Got this from Compass Box a few days ago:


Refreshing honesty to say the least, and very welcome.

mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 29-09-2016 at 20:33 pm
lincolnimp wrote:
If distillers want to be trusted they should be made to disclose what casks are in the mix, then we would be able to see the true ratio of younger to older casks and decide for ourselves if the offering was worth the money.
Correction, if they want to be trusted they should disclose it of their own accord without having to be forced to.

Regarding Compass Box, the only problem with their plan is it's begging to run rampant with abuse.  Not so much with Compass Box maybe, but the Macallan thing is a perfect example.  We all know that the only true contract is on the label.  Anything they TELL you might just be crap they made up.  In other words, it's nice that Compass Box are willing to verbalize what's in the bottle, but it's really no different than what Macallan is verbalizing about what's in theirs... except perhaps that Compass Box will be specific about casks.
  Edited on 29-09-2016 at 20:34 pm
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 29-09-2016 at 20:54 pm
What I cannot figure is the fact that people are still buying bucket loads of the stuff, without appearing to question whatever shady practice is in vogue at that time.
In the UK specifically are Scotch sales of single malts on the rise still?
peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 30-09-2016 at 18:38 pm

Macallan obviously gives a rats ass about the average consumer.

This is how they want to be perceived: 
65YO in a tumbler with a giant iceball from a branded snow cone maker that can be yours for a mere £600... oh, I forgot, it's sold out.
Something tells me very few of these people have ever done a honest days work for their money, and if they can win over these people there's a lot of wanna-be's to pick up their new over priced NAS line-up.
BenNevis
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 01-10-2016 at 23:13 pm
Kosher Wine and spirit   for selling a Macallan 12yo double cask for £160 when I got a bottle for £45 from drinkmonger in pitlochry.
Its the best Macallan I have bought for a while, Its more like the old 10-12yo and ok price if you get it at £45

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LukeFive
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 02-10-2016 at 14:41 pm
BenNevis wrote:
Kosher Wine and spirit   for selling a Macallan 12yo double cask for £160 when I got a bottle for £45 from drinkmonger in pitlochry.
Its the best Macallan I have bought for a while, Its more like the old 10-12yo and ok price if you get it at £45

They are probably lurking on the forums. they have it at £47 ATM.

Well done man!

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 02-10-2016 at 21:04 pm
LukeFive wrote:
BenNevis wrote:
Kosher Wine and spirit   for selling a Macallan 12yo double cask for £160 when I got a bottle for £45 from drinkmonger in pitlochry.
Its the best Macallan I have bought for a while, Its more like the old 10-12yo and ok price if you get it at £45

They are probably lurking on the forums. they have it at £47 ATM.

Well done man!


Have I got this correct, they originally had it for £160 but since it was highlighted yesterday by BenNevis, they have dropped the price to £47?
Give that man a Cigar.

Oh I am so glad I got a Brora 2016 release for £200 because Kosher Wines have one for  a whopping £1450, did you hear that Kosher Wine £200, so sort yourselves out
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BenNevis
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 08-10-2016 at 19:05 pm

The whisky shop have this for £70.. https://www.whiskyshop.com/macallan-12-year-old-double-cask . Even Hard to find Whisky have it for £48!!

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karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 08-10-2016 at 19:26 pm
BenNevis wrote:

The whisky shop have this for £70.. https://www.whiskyshop.com/macallan-12-year-old-double-cask . Even Hard to find Whisky have it for £48!!



Disney land shop with Disney land prices

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Tom Waits
BenNevis
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 10-10-2016 at 20:07 pm
I was on a shopping trip to Birmingham with the wife on Saturday. I called into The Whisky shop for a look around and had a chat with assistant that was working in there, Very nice lad and knows what he's talking about. Just as I start walking out a couple walk in and the man walks straight to the 2 bottles of Kininvie and picks this one up   https://www.whiskybase.com/whisky/56361/kininvie-1990  It was priced at £100 , He then starts boasting to the assistant that he wouldn't be buying it as he was picking 6 up from the airport this week for I think he said £80 each and was hopping to get £250 each for them at auction. At this point I walked out. It started me thinking why have the whisky shop put there prices up so much lately..
The fat loud bloke in the flat cap , if I knew his name, I would name and shame
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peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 10-10-2016 at 20:38 pm
BenNevis wrote:
I was on a shopping trip to Birmingham with the wife on Saturday. I called into The Whisky shop for a look around and had a chat with assistant that was working in there, Very nice lad and knows what he's talking about. Just as I start walking out a couple walk in and the man walks straight to the 2 bottles of Kininvie and picks this one up   https://www.whiskybase.com/whisky/56361/kininvie-1990  It was priced at £100 , He then starts boasting to the assistant that he wouldn't be buying it as he was picking 6 up from the airport this week for I think he said £80 each and was hopping to get £250 each for them at auction. At this point I walked out. It started me thinking why have the whisky shop put there prices up so much lately..
The fat loud bloke in the flat cap , if I knew his name, I would name and shame


Fat & loud... hard to ignore wink

But how can he hope to get £250?
It is 9 shop links and a bottle for sale in the shop, all cheaper, and cheapest of all the bottle he put down.
If he would be picking them up at the airport I asume he was about to travel and would buy duty free.
I'm not one to hold it against anyone to carry one too many bottles through customs, but it is also illegal to resell what you buy at duty free, with or without profit.
Hopefully the prices at The Whisky Shop are not based on flatulence from a hot air balloon happy
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 11-10-2016 at 21:54 pm
BenNevis wrote:
I was on a shopping trip to Birmingham with the wife on Saturday. I called into The Whisky shop for a look around and had a chat with assistant that was working in there, Very nice lad and knows what he's talking about. Just as I start walking out a couple walk in and the man walks straight to the 2 bottles of Kininvie and picks this one up   https://www.whiskybase.com/whisky/56361/kininvie-1990  It was priced at £100 , He then starts boasting to the assistant that he wouldn't be buying it as he was picking 6 up from the airport this week for I think he said £80 each and was hopping to get £250 each for them at auction. At this point I walked out. It started me thinking why have the whisky shop put there prices up so much lately..
The fat loud bloke in the flat cap , if I knew his name, I would name and shame


I think I know this man he`s called Mr W----R happy

Onislay
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 14-10-2016 at 20:21 pm

Kavalan ... 2016 bottlings now entering the market for only 300 - 400 euros. PX, Moscatel... really expensive casks ...?

lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 25-10-2016 at 23:44 pm
The Brora 40 year 1972 OB looks like it is still available at World of Whiskies but has gone up from £7000 to £7500.
Now look at this on line ebay trader called Whisky & Spirits on German ebay, because they only want 28000 euro for the same bottle, this is roughly £25000


There is greedy and then there is this.
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