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djmaxliving
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 00:07 am

Please include anyone in the whisky industry, be it a whisky blogger, expert, investor or shop, damaging the drink we enjoy. Please add to this list. 


My top 3.

Named & Shamed

TheWhiskyshop = For the over the top prices and very poor customer service.

Whisky In The 6 = The amount of times he has mention Whisky Investment & general rubbish on youtube.

Jim Murray =  The whisky of the year, for which he receives a brown bag filled of cash.



  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 00:59 am
peatbogger
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 01:13 am

Scotch Whisky Association = for being against trancperancy

Jim Murray = for being a douche

  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 01:15 am
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 02:15 am
I am going to be a little careful for once.
I would nominate Richard Patterson not because he is a bad bloke but for :-
1 - Allowing sub standard core range of Dalmore
2 - Allowing all the caramel and colouring in Dalmore

Its easy to knock Jim Murray but he did score Ardbeg 10 with 97 points so he is obviously crackers or crackers & stupid wink
 Hang on a minute, actually I would also list Ardbeg, Smardbeg because its strictly for lovers of sweaty socks, smoked cheese and oodles of hype. I will name and shame them for marketing a product that is substantially inferior to what they would have me believe.
Right before I go to bed I must remember to put my name down for that new 21 year old OB after I have completed my application form to be a Committee Member happy

I will now put my tin hat on and wait for all the Ardbeg lover missiles to arrive.
  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 02:21 am
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 02:21 am
lincolnimp wrote:
I am going to be a little careful for once.
I would nominate Richard Patterson not because he is a bad bloke but for :-
1 - Allowing sub standard core range of Dalmore
2 - Allowing all the caramel and colouring in Dalmore

Its easy to knock Jim Murray but he did score Ardbeg 10 with 97 points so he is obviously crackers or crackers & stupid wink
Actually I would also list Ardbeg, Smardbeg because its strictly for lovers of sweaty socks, smoked cheese and oodles of bullshit hype.
Right before I go to bed I am going to put my name down for that new 21 year old OB after I have completed my application form to be a Committee Member wink

At least I'm not alone! happy

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VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 02:26 am

I nominate both Sullivans Cove and Hard To Find Whisky for making everything below and above the pice point of £4,999.95 for a 14yo seem like a bargain. Sullivans Cove - 1812 Indefatigable - 2001 14 year old £4,999.95 http://www.htfw.com/sullivans-cove-1812-indefatigable-2001-14-year-old

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BenNevis
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 07:46 am

I agree with all the comments so far, I would add The Whisky exchange too, I think they have helped push whisky prices up over the last 10 years. As for Jim Murry I think it can be good to have an idiot like him causing controversy... Sometimes

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LukeFive
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 12:37 pm

The Whisky Exchange - For picking and publishing only positive reviews ( with few exception, I guess you cannot have 5 stars rating on Haigh Club )

Jim Murray - For giving Ballantine Finest 96 points ( Only human to do so )

mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 16:07 pm

Macallan, for leading the charge on everything wrong with the industry, higher prices and diminishing quality on questionable ages and colouring (... yes yes, I know, their whisky is supposedly not coloured, but the entire premise of their colour range is just wrong.  It implies colour is somehow important, which in turn induces others to add colour under the assumption the consumer is an idiot.)

edit: while we're at it, Diageo... for pretty much everything, but in this particular case, for being the Kings of Caramel.

  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 16:10 pm
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 16:49 pm
LukeFive wrote:

The Whisky Exchange - For picking and publishing only positive reviews ( with few exception, I guess you cannot have 5 stars rating on Haigh Club )

Jim Murray - For giving Ballantine Finest 96 points ( Only human to do so )


I did not know about this 96 score for a £20 blend of Ballantine`s by Murray, following on from Crown Royal are we now to assume that he is going to nominate another cheap whisky for the next bible with another absurd score.
He is paid by the industry, and it is embarrassing.


  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 16:50 pm
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 17:13 pm
I will nominate all the people who put Jaw dropping massive prices on whisky that is still advertised on the likes of German and Italian ebay?
They are either hoping to snare that one lame sucker or they have no class and no idea what whisky is really worth or they are just plain stupid or just plain greedy?
Did I leave anything out?

Actually I think there are some of those very same people also on the Marketplace on here?
  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 17:14 pm
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 17:33 pm
mrgood wrote:

Macallan, for leading the charge on everything wrong with the industry, higher prices and diminishing quality on questionable ages and colouring (... yes yes, I know, their whisky is supposedly not coloured, but the entire premise of their colour range is just wrong.  It implies colour is somehow important, which in turn induces others to add colour under the assumption the consumer is an idiot.)

edit: while we're at it, Diageo... for pretty much everything, but in this particular case, for being the Kings of Caramel.

I can't agree more. For such a pedigree in putting out fine scotch for decades up until the early part of this century. The "Rolls Royce" of scotches, have become totally commercial. A complete and under sellout to the lowest common denominator. It would be like Rolls Royce trying to compete with Ford on a production level.

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karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 20:10 pm

The Whisky Shop. I agree with djmaxliving, the whisky version of the Disney shop. Finest and Rarest. For sending me emails with prices for everything except whisky. Also for saying stuff is sold when it's quite clear that it isn't. The Wine Chambers in Tynemouth. For merging their wine festival with their whisky festival. I'm sorry but I ain't drinking with a load of shandy drinking wine drinkers man woman man.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Tom Waits
St. Pauli
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 21:09 pm

TURV Exloo, a Dutch distillery founded in 2016 and having the guts to launch a distillate under the name of whisky. They even claimed that a committee had decided that the rules for whisky were old fashioned and consequently, their 2016 distillate could be whisky.

Luckily, they were made to change their product name and logo. Now it's just "Prime" instead of "Prime Whisky".

And then from the content: it was distilled 10 times (!!!) so that all character has left the spirit.

Bart&Claudia
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 22:57 pm

Talisker Distillery, for taking away one of my dearest entry level whiskies just to put out more travel-retail nonsense.
I had three drams in a favoured whiskybar a few nights ago, such character.. sad    

Onislay
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 23:11 pm

Diageo....pricing on japanese whisky...macallan i totally agree... highland park also doing well here... Disagree with comments on ardbeg their quality is still quite good iso macallan.. Fryske hynder ( just make jenever plse).. Whisky investors ...

Onislay
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 23:11 pm

Diageo....pricing on japanese whisky...macallan i totally agree... highland park also doing well here... Disagree with comments on ardbeg their quality is still quite good iso macallan.. Fryske hynder ( just make jenever plse).. Whisky investors ...

Eclectic Scotchist
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 23:28 pm
Bart&Claudia wrote:

Talisker Distillery, for taking away one of my dearest entry level whiskies just to put out more travel-retail nonsense.
I had three drams in a favoured whiskybar a few nights ago, such character.. sad    


I agree, but this is Diageo's (the owner's) doing, and almost certainly hasn't been decided by the distillery as such. Diageo really is the worst company out there: constantly hyping up the insane prices for Brora and Port Ellen releases, they colour and chill-filter the core range whisky of every distillery they own to my knowledge, they closed Rosebank, Port Ellen and Brora, they turned my beloved Mortlach into overpriced "luxury" whisky in 50cl bottles and changed the taste profile too. They only care about revenue, they have no heart and soul when it comes to whisky - and it's a shame that they own so many distilleries.


  Edited on 13-09-2016 at 23:30 pm
Onislay
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 13-09-2016 at 23:31 pm

Mortlach indeed, new series, love it sad

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Bart&Claudia wrote:

Talisker Distillery, for taking away one of my dearest entry level whiskies just to put out more travel-retail nonsense.
I had three drams in a favoured whiskybar a few nights ago, such character.. sad    


I agree, but this is Diageo's (the owner's) doing, and almost certainly hasn't been decided by the distillery as such. Diageo really is the worst company out there: insane prices for Brora and Port Ellen releases, they colour and chill-filter the whisky of every distillery they own to my knowledge, they closed Rosebank, Port Ellen and Brora, they turned my beloved Mortlach into overpriced "luxury" whisky in 50cl bottles and changed the taste profile somewhat. They only care about revenue, they have no heart and soul when it comes to whisky - and it's a shame that they own so many distilleries.




John Barleycorn
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 00:44 am
A friend of mine who know a woman three doors down from where he lives, well her brother works for one of the big distilleries in Scotland and he told her at sometimes, when he's coming off a shift, he has seen tankers full of hydrogen dioxide and he said they add it to the mash as they put in the stills. You can't trust anyone these days, bastards!

Is it a full moon tonight? wink

  Edited on 14-09-2016 at 00:45 am
VaryingViewpoint
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 01:04 am
A friend of mine who know a woman three doors down from where he lives, well her brother works for one of the big distilleries in Scotland and he told her at sometimes, when he's coming off a shift, he has seen tankers full of hydrogen dioxide and he said they add it to the mash as they put in the stills. You can't trust anyone these days, bastards!

Is it a full moon tonight? wink

Why would they add hydrogen dioxide?

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John Barleycorn
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 01:26 am
A friend of mine who know a woman three doors down from where he lives, well her brother works for one of the big distilleries in Scotland and he told her at sometimes, when he's coming off a shift, he has seen tankers full of hydrogen dioxide and he said they add it to the mash as they put in the stills. You can't trust anyone these days, bastards!

Is it a full moon tonight? wink

Why would they add hydrogen dioxide?

I'm not sure. This friend of mine says that it makes the whisky weaker in someway. He said that they have secret labs throughout Scotland and that they feed this stuff, this hydrogen dioxide, to rats to see what happens to them. Scary stuff if you ask me.

  Edited on 14-09-2016 at 01:29 am
John Barleycorn
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 01:28 am
A friend of mine who know a woman three doors down from where he lives, well her brother works for one of the big distilleries in Scotland and he told her at sometimes, when he's coming off a shift, he has seen tankers full of hydrogen dioxide and he said they add it to the mash as they put in the stills. You can't trust anyone these days, bastards!

Is it a full moon tonight? wink

Why would they add hydrogen dioxide?

I'm not sure. This friend of mine says that it makes the whisky weaker in someway. He said that they have secret labs throughout Scotland and that they feed this stuff, this hydrogen dioxide, to rats to see what happens to them. Scary stuff if you ask me.



karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 11:10 am
A friend of mine who know a woman three doors down from where he lives, well her brother works for one of the big distilleries in Scotland and he told her at sometimes, when he's coming off a shift, he has seen tankers full of hydrogen dioxide and he said they add it to the mash as they put in the stills. You can't trust anyone these days, bastards!

Is it a full moon tonight? wink



Was the tanker driver a whisky Cenobite? And did he say to the staff as they were leaving" This is not for your eyes"

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. Tom Waits
thanasist
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 12:17 pm

I really admire thewhiskyexchange owner as a businessman i must admit. He was amongst the first who forsaw the whisky demand raise and acted accordingly for his own best interest of course. This is not for our best interest and don't shoot me for writing this words but in general i admire people who risk because the see something the rest of us don't and gain from their risk.

I suppose his risk was not little at first since he was buying a lot of bottles without the security that indeed will be sold at the prices wanted. And of course by taking that kind of risks don't forget that you could easily lose , and lose heavily. 
On the other hand i don't like at all people or bussiness who value money more than people relationships or ethics and explain. There are lot of merchants , private or stores that they just want to sell and they even hide flaws or anything else that the merchandice has andafter the sale they don't even wan't to hear about it.
For me the most important thing is that at the end of a deal both parties should be pleased since after all we are all adults here and in any way the transaction is made uppon the free will of both parties. No one is obligated to buy or exchange anything i suppose.
I am glad with those that try to make up if a deal goes wrong in any way 
lincolnimp
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 14-09-2016 at 13:16 pm
thanasist wrote:

I really admire thewhiskyexchange owner as a businessman i must admit. He was amongst the first who forsaw the whisky demand raise and acted accordingly for his own best interest of course. This is not for our best interest and don't shoot me for writing this words but in general i admire people who risk because the see something the rest of us don't and gain from their risk.

I suppose his risk was not little at first since he was buying a lot of bottles without the security that indeed will be sold at the prices wanted. And of course by taking that kind of risks don't forget that you could easily lose , and lose heavily. 
On the other hand i don't like at all people or bussiness who value money more than people relationships or ethics and explain. There are lot of merchants , private or stores that they just want to sell and they even hide flaws or anything else that the merchandice has andafter the sale they don't even wan't to hear about it.
For me the most important thing is that at the end of a deal both parties should be pleased since after all we are all adults here and in any way the transaction is made uppon the free will of both parties. No one is obligated to buy or exchange anything i suppose.
I am glad with those that try to make up if a deal goes wrong in any way 

The issue is with the TWE is that in a way they are a victim of their own success. They have brought whisky to the masses but like any juggernaut you can lose control of it. I lost faith with them when I saw them buying whisky at auction and then tripling the price in a matter of weeks,
If hey had doubled the price immediately or 125% ish, it would no be such an issue but it is greedy.
But they are business and as some people do not trust auctions so they pay their silly prices.
I understand they charge what they feel the market will stand.
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