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Off-Topic: What else in bar besides Whisky?

nathanyael
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 27-03-2015 at 08:20 am

I Know it's completely off-topic but the more I dig deeper into the world of whisky the more I get into high-quality spirits of different varieties...

So what's on your bar shelves aside from Whisky?

Here are my TOP5 nominees with the "at-least-1-bottle-on-shelf"-guarantee:
1. Grappa Dellavalle Piccolit (amazing 10yrs of maturing in two types of casks)
2. Tequila Casa Vieja Anejo (that's how real tequila tastes)
3. Fassbind Vieille Poire (a smooth and deeply warming pear spirit - mellowed again in wood casks)
4. 13yo Jamaica Single Cask Rum distilled at Long Pond from The Rum Cask (tropical fruits in abundance)
5. Monkey 47 Dry Gin (Gin as Gin can)


  Edited on 27-03-2015 at 08:21 am
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D. T.
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 27-03-2015 at 11:20 am

Interesting ... yes indeed!

Some of my absolute faves:

Oude Klare Graanjenever LE LION D'OR / 38 % vol (Stokerij De Moor, Aalst).
De Moor Single Malt Graanjenever 1910 Founder's Reserve XO, 12 jaar (Stokerij De Moor, Aalst).
Sherry Bodegas Tradición / Pedro Ximénez Tradición Muy Viejo / Envejecido mas de 20 años / 15% Vol.
Cap Corse Antoine Damiani / Apéritif au Quinquina / 15 % vol.
Tanqueray Malacca Gin Limited Edition
Tanqueray Ten [G & T]
Sacred Gin [Pure]
Martin Miller's London Dry Gin [Westbourne Strength]
De Muller Vermouth Reserva
Baker's Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey Aged 7 Years 

I'm getting more and more curious about rums ... Tips anyone?

Cheers

D.

  Edited on 29-03-2015 at 00:44 am
BXpress
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 27-03-2015 at 11:30 am

besides Single Malts i have a few usual suspect Bourbons ,such as Booker's, Blanton's Single Barrel, Wild Turkey Rare Breed.
now and then i buy a few Craft Beers like Trappistes Rochefort, Ola Dubh, Alba Scots Pine Ale and various Innis and Gunn expressions.

but i do plan on some Armagnacs from the Darroze range, and some indy Maison Cognacs, Guerbe and Daniel Bouju look quite interesting.

David Deas
Newbie Newbie
Posted on 27-03-2015 at 17:22 pm

Besides an army of single malt scotches and a few bourbons, mostly cognacs.  The bourbons I have tend to be the unicorns because the wheat mash bourbons are the only ones that I really enjoy.  All my cognacs are the XO grade and above since there is just no point in fussing with anything less.


Really interestingly enough, and I never thought I'd say this after all these years, but you get much more value for your money with cognacs than you do with scotches these days.  I have found that in recent times, pick a price point above $100 and a great cognac will soundly beat a similarly priced scotch in terms of depth and finish.

Anyways.  At the bottom end I keep a healthy rotation of beers, with a good seasonal selection.  The staples include mostly Russian imperial stouts and Belgium Trappist ales.  Some lighter styles also for the warm weather, like wheat beers.  And of course I love Oktoberfest when it rolls around.
  Edited on 27-03-2015 at 17:27 pm
Bart&Claudia
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 28-03-2015 at 11:56 am

Djeez... David Deas,

Did you come all over your keyboard afterwards? happy

As a cognac man turning on to whisky, I can assure you that such a sniffy attitude towards younger cognac means you're missing out. But hey, whatever floats your boat! 

  Edited on 28-03-2015 at 14:16 pm
David Deas
Newbie Newbie
Posted on 28-03-2015 at 15:11 pm

Missing out by upgrading?  Thats interesting.  To me thats a bit like saying I'm missing out by purchasing a Maybach instead of an S550.  What in the world does the S550 offer me over the Maybach?  Why is the guy with the Daniel Bouju Hors d'Age the one missing out over the guy with the Daniel Bouju VSOP?  Usually we think of the VSOP guy as the one missing out.

  Edited on 28-03-2015 at 15:12 pm
Jewfrodo
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 28-03-2015 at 21:55 pm

I really ever only drink whisky, gin and beer, so it won't be a very diverse list, but here it goes:

1: Gin mare
2: 
Mayfair London dry gin
3: Gin sea
4: Vedett White (Belgian wheat beer)
3: St Bernardus abt 12 (Belgian beer)

nathanyael
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 30-03-2015 at 07:31 am

Cognacs are something I begin to acquire a taste for... I only had one cognac so far bottled in a shop directly from a small cask... amazing stuff, no wonder being composed of cognacs with an age of up to 40 years directly from the "paradis" part of the warehouse...
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Shane_IL
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 31-03-2015 at 08:27 am

I usually have a bottle of good South African brandy (currently Klipdrift Gold, which is amazing), a bottle or two of wine and some rum (for mixing with coke so nothing special, usually Captain Morgan Spiced) and I've got some Bad Apfel that I got as a gift and need to get rid of someday.


I also have a bottle of Hennessey Napoleon being kept for a special occasion. .
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BabyHuey206
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 31-03-2015 at 08:41 am
David Deas wrote:

Missing out by upgrading?  Thats interesting.  To me thats a bit like saying I'm missing out by purchasing a Maybach instead of an S550.  What in the world does the S550 offer me over the Maybach?  Why is the guy with the Daniel Bouju Hors d'Age the one missing out over the guy with the Daniel Bouju VSOP?  Usually we think of the VSOP guy as the one missing out.


So, your argument is that older cognacs are better?  Interesting, given that you argue against that idea when it comes to NAS whisky.  As for an S500 versus a Maybach, well I get a new model/chassis, decent styling, I don't have to deal with people keying my car because I look like a douche... oh, and I get another very expensive car when I want something other than a German luxury barge.

As for the OP's question, I tend toward IB rums.  Cadenhead's does a lot of excellent rums, and I know they were polarizing, but I really like the Renegade rums from Murray McDavid.  Haven't tried anything from The Whisky Cask yet, but I'll look out for them.  Next to whisky, I find that rum offers the most variety in terms of flavor.
Bart&Claudia
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 31-03-2015 at 12:14 pm
BabyHuey206 wrote:
David Deas wrote:

Missing out by upgrading?  Thats interesting.  To me thats a bit like saying I'm missing out by purchasing a Maybach instead of an S550.  What in the world does the S550 offer me over the Maybach?  Why is the guy with the Daniel Bouju Hors d'Age the one missing out over the guy with the Daniel Bouju VSOP?  Usually we think of the VSOP guy as the one missing out.


So, your argument is that older cognacs are better?  Interesting, given that you argue against that idea when it comes to NAS whisky.  As for an S500 versus a Maybach, well I get a new model/chassis, decent styling, I don't have to deal with people keying my car because I look like a douche... oh, and I get another very expensive car when I want something other than a German luxury barge.


happy

Shane_IL
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Posted on 31-03-2015 at 14:01 pm

Toyota Yaris Hybrid FTW!

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David Deas
Newbie Newbie
Posted on 31-03-2015 at 17:02 pm
BabyHuey206 wrote:
David Deas wrote:

Missing out by upgrading?  Thats interesting.  To me thats a bit like saying I'm missing out by purchasing a Maybach instead of an S550.  What in the world does the S550 offer me over the Maybach?  Why is the guy with the Daniel Bouju Hors d'Age the one missing out over the guy with the Daniel Bouju VSOP?  Usually we think of the VSOP guy as the one missing out.


So, your argument is that older cognacs are better?  Interesting, given that you argue against that idea when it comes to NAS whisky.  As for an S500 versus a Maybach, well I get a new model/chassis, decent styling, I don't have to deal with people keying my car because I look like a douche... oh, and I get another very expensive car when I want something other than a German luxury barge.

As for the OP's question, I tend toward IB rums.  Cadenhead's does a lot of excellent rums, and I know they were polarizing, but I really like the Renegade rums from Murray McDavid.  Haven't tried anything from The Whisky Cask yet, but I'll look out for them.  Next to whisky, I find that rum offers the most variety in terms of flavor.

Cognacs typically take longer to reach maturity than whiskies.  If you look at a Macallan, for example, it reaches its prime in the barrel at about the 18 to 25 year range.  An eau de vie from Hennessy, OTOH, can take over twice as long to reach its prime in the barrel.  That I think is pretty common knowledge regarding cognacs in general.  Thats why hearing about a 50 year old cognac isn't all that remarkable compared to hearing about a 50 year old whisky.


XO grade cognac legally means anything aged beyond 6 years.  That means that the XO label doesn't really offer much legally, but its a level you really don't want to go below for anything that isn't intended for mixing.  VS and VSOP cognacs tend to be rough for drinking neat.  But if thats what you like, then thats what you like.  Personally, since I don't do mix drinks, I think its always worth it to upgrade to that distillers XO product.  Usually in the $150 range.  If those prices are beyond your budget then thats another issue.

Furthermore, I believe I said that age statements were not an indication of quality.  And I said so precisely because age statements do not tell you what is in the bottle.  IOW, I never said that older whisky wasn't better than younger whisky.  That is something that you, in your enthusiasm, attributed to me all by yourself.  It would be much more accurate to claim I said that a NAS whisky isn't necessarily younger than an age statement whisky.

Listen man.  If you want to have a discussion, we can do that.  If you want to talk about people keying your car because your a douche or whatever you were trying to say, then I don't care for that sort of thing.  If thats not cool with you then you stick with your VS grade cognac and I'll keep sticking to the XO grades.


  Edited on 31-03-2015 at 17:13 pm
karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 31-03-2015 at 17:47 pm

Whoops! Sorry,I must have wandered on to Cognacbase wink

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nathanyael
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 01-04-2015 at 10:26 am

Hey guys... this post was not intended to get people clawing at each others throats because of different opinions...
I just wanted to know what else you pour down your throat besides whisky... So keep calm and have a dram of whatever wink

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mrgood
Expert Junior Junior Expert
Posted on 01-04-2015 at 16:01 pm
nathanyael wrote:

this post was not intended to get people clawing at each others throats

heh, yeah, sometimes people just can't help pulling out the knives.  You should see the NAS thread.  Sweet Jebus, did that one get out of hand quickly!

  Edited on 01-04-2015 at 16:02 pm
oscarswanson
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 01-04-2015 at 17:01 pm

Cognac? What the hell is that?  LOL
I actually never tried the stuff.
I drink TUN 1401 and my favorite red wine is 2 buck chuck. Really!!!!
I guess I'll have to try a bottle to see what up.....
Anyway. Ya, all that shit behind the bar. It's all good.
Carry on.

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karlsson60
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 03-04-2015 at 14:59 pm

I always keep one or two bottles of these on my shelf:

1. Cognac - just for cooking, I don't really like it
2. Armagnac (Chateau de Gaube 1970, Clos Martin XO 15 yo ) - the latter mainly for cooking and baking (although I have noticed that more often than not you can replace it with whisky)
3. Rum (Cubaney Centenario + Caroni Trinidad Rum) - mainly for my wife and some of my friends
4. Gin, mainly Bombay Sapphire - that's something I really like on hot summer evenings with some tonic and ice (when it's too hot for whisky)
5. Fernet branca - for medicinal purposes only wink
6. Some local Kirsch or pear schnaps and Slivovic, mainly presents from friends and customers (something I've used occasionally as an anti freezing agent for my car when all the filling stations were sold out)
Whisky Hamster
Member Senior Senior Member
Posted on 03-04-2015 at 19:26 pm

A while ago I tried some gins and like the Monkey 47 neat. It's definitely more floral than dry and a quality product. When you mix it though, it tends to dominate the drink more than your usual London Dry Gin. You need to decide if you want that. Same with more expensive rums that bring their personality to the cocktail. Hendrick's Gin I like, too. It's also less austere.

My rums I like on the natural sweet side as a contrast to malts. Diplomatico (Botucal) Reserva Exclusiva or Ron Quorhum 23/30 would be my recommendations. happy

  Edited on 03-04-2015 at 19:27 pm
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nathanyael
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 21-04-2015 at 07:48 am

This was a lineup on Saturday during a dinner with friends...

-- SORRY, BUT IT WON'T SHOW THE PICTURE --

From left to right: Somerset Ice Cider and 20yo Somerset brandy, Proprietary Barley Spirit Drink, Arran Amarrone Cask Whisky, Grappa from Dellavalle and last but not least "Mathilda Soleil" beer from Schneider Weisse... certainly everything with a sweet touch (except the beer) but you have to give your guests what they want... wink

  Edited on 21-04-2015 at 07:52 am
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MARS
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Posted on 25-04-2015 at 00:18 am

I am not going to name all the other things than whisky that I have (not in my bar as I haven't any, but stocked in different place).
But by decresing numbers I have :
- wine. In fact, I have more bottle of wine than whisky to be correct.
- Rhum. Must have much more than 100 bottles of rhum with a good half open. I prefer them older even if age doesn't always mean quality. You will laugh but I am not a huge fan of rhum. It's mainly because it's not too expensive and with my propention to buy a lot the number of bottles keep improving(as I don't drink a lot of rhum). This month I buyed 15 bottles of rhum, for example(and 6 last month)
- beer. I like to try new things but I have a sweeth tooth for IPA and gueuze.
- cognac and armagnac. I tend to agree with david geas wit hthe fact that cognac tend to be much better when it is much older(I am talking about years spend in tha cask here). Given that cognac is still cheap when you compare with whisky, you can buy really old stuff.
But young single cask bottling can be interesting also even if it's not the same profile (wood enhencement, if you don't have problem with it)
- sherry and porto. Not a very big fan but from time to time I like to drink a glass. The older, the better for me.(still, have nothing older than 1947)
- calvados. It's only recently that I started to like this. So I don't have many bottles. Less than 10 I think. I prefer them not too old even if very old calvados can be really good.
After, I have some bottles of gin, vodka, tequilla, bourbon,...but it's not something I like to drink. Even with mixer. (with a mixer I prefer a good whisky...like a glendronach 15 years old with coke)

St. Pauli
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 25-04-2015 at 08:11 am

It really depends on the bar. I can tell you that the selection of good spirits is rather limited in the bars I know (and maybe overall). In restaurants I drink wine to match my food. In bars I really enjoy beer. Living in the Netherlands, there is plenty of supply of good beers from Western-Europe. My favorites:

- Orval (bitter, dry)
- Chiamay white capsulte (bitter, dry)
- Tripel Karmeliet (triple beer with barley, rhye and wheat)
- Floreffe Prima Melior (dark, sweet spiced ale)
- De Molen Angst & Beven (barrel-aged imperial stout)

Interestingly, more and more barrel-aged beers are becoming available in the Netherlands, some of them have aged in ex-whisky casks. I saw beers that matured in casks from Ardbeg, Bowmore, and Linkwood.

Cheers,
Paul

karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 25-04-2015 at 11:19 am

Guinness,I love Guinness,but the price of a pint these days is getting ridicules. When I was over in Ireland a few years ago I was talking to one of the locals and he said the best pint of stout in Ireland is Beamish, Guinness is for the tourists. So for the whole three days I was there I was drinking Beamish and he was right,just blows Guinness away,amazing stuff. Unfortunately you can't get it in the UK,well,I've never seen it.

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SB984
Newbie Newbie
Posted on 25-04-2015 at 12:59 pm
karloff wrote:

Guinness,I love Guinness,but the price of a pint these days is getting ridicules. When I was over in Ireland a few years ago I was talking to one of the locals and he said the best pint of stout in Ireland is Beamish, Guinness is for the tourists. So for the whole three days I was there I was drinking Beamish and he was right,just blows Guinness away,amazing stuff. Unfortunately you can't get it in the UK,well,I've never seen it.

They used to sell Beamish in a couple of pubs in Norfolk, England where I'm from but I haven't seen it for over ten years. It was good from what I remember.

If you want cheap stout then you need to get yourself some homebrew. Very easy to do and in 4-6 weeks you can have 5 gallons of decent stuff for well under 50p a pint.

  Edited on 25-04-2015 at 13:00 pm
SB984
Newbie Newbie
Posted on 25-04-2015 at 14:30 pm

I don't stray far from scotch but here's my list:

-The Botanist Gin (excellent Gin by Bruichladdich)

-Ilegal Mezcal (expensive - maybe overly so - but lovely earthy smoke)

-Spirit of Broadside (an eau-de-vie-de-biere or bierbrand distilled from hopped Adnams beer)

-10yo Tawny Port

-WL Weller 12 Bourbon (the best bourbon I've ever had)

-Bulleit Rye

-Wild Turkey 101 8yo

-4 gallons of Woodforde's Admiral's Reserve (homebrewed last month)

-4.5 gallons of homebrewed cider (a request from my mum) that'll be bottled some time next week

-Kilchoman bramble liqueur (lovely and very smoky liqueur that's not sticky and sickly sweet like most)

  Edited on 25-04-2015 at 14:33 pm
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