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New features of WB v4

Bachess
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 23-10-2015 at 13:45 pm

Hi all,

A few months ago we started to build on the Version 4 of Whiskybase. First we collected all the wishes and bugs we received on this forum or from members of the base. After that we started the design fase; what features do we want and how must everything work?
Now we started the building fase, the programmers are building the site as we speak and hopefully we have a new site at spring 2016.
What are we building?
- The different parts of Whiskybase shall be more integrated. The market, Shop and the Maps (the Events) will be more easy to find and visit;
- The search functions are better; 
- The Events from the Maps will be a new part of the site. You can keep track of the upcoming whisky events;
- All members can use the new Whiskybase Blog.    

This is just a small part of all the features in the new site. We'll keep you updated about it here.
Greetz,
menno 
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Bachess
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 23-10-2015 at 14:12 pm

What we misses on the Whisky-pages is a good overview of the taste of the whisky. I want to see if the whisky is Smokey, Fruity or Grassy without reading all the tasting notes. Hopefully we can show such an overview with the new Tasting-tags.

On every Whisky-page of version 4 you'll find tasting tags of this Tasting wheel: http://files.meetup.com/3188602/Wheel%20New.jpg
The 8 tasting tags in the middle (Woody, Cereal, Peaty etc.) are the major tags and those are visible when you enter the whisky page. You can click on those tags to tag the whisky with that taste. The more people are tagging the whisky with, lets say, Floral, the bigger the tasting tags will be shown. If you want to add a tasting tag from the second circle, the minor tags, you have to click a button what opens a window with all the tasting tags. In that window you can tag several different tastes and save your tags. 
- Each member can use each tasting tag one time at each whisky. 
- The tasting tags are searchable. So you can search for all the whiskies with the tag "Tobacco"
- You can't add new tasting tags. we start to work with this tasting wheel and after some time we can look if we need more (or less) tasting tags.

I hope this feature makes it easier to find your perfect whisky!



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St. Pauli
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 16:11 pm

Maybe it's nice to have a broader "knowledge base" here on whiskybase. With this, I mean links to essential reading, more info about the ingredients of whisky, the distillation and maturation process. This could be in the form of a library. Of course if someone would need to maintain it, I offer to volunteer.

Cheers! Paul
Bachess
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 16:33 pm

Thats a good idea Paul. 

We planned to make a bigger and open Help section with FAQ and other Help text. We can make that bigger like the library you mentioned. That's also interesting for people who want to start with their whisky hobby.


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karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 22:40 pm

Please could you put a date in the top left hand corner of the reviews,tasting notes etc. Instead of a couple of days,months,years ago. It would be nice to look back and see when you exactly put them on. It could also give you an idea of your consumption.cheers

Whisky,no doubt, is a Devil; but why has this Devil so many worshippers?
alectron
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 22:41 pm

To tie into that, I always thought the "About" section could be improved. I.e. allow more links, resources, special knowledge to be stored & organized close to the brand/topic.
c.

Remember - whisky scores and impressions are highly subjective and situational by nature - so don't go and buy whisky according to someone else's taste...
karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 22:50 pm

Yo elaborate on the About section, I have put loads of distillery information in,which I quite enjoy when I have a little time, it would be nice to get a few points for this, I mean you get a point for a shoplink, takes seconds, the distillery information you have to do a lot of research and type it all in. You are generally putting some effort in.

Whisky,no doubt, is a Devil; but why has this Devil so many worshippers?
karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 23:08 pm

The email Trash box, at the moment there is no way you can empty it, this is a concern for a lot of people. Can this be fixed in v4.

Whisky,no doubt, is a Devil; but why has this Devil so many worshippers?
alectron
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 24-10-2015 at 23:15 pm

+1 on the exact date on notes, instead of vague descriptors!!

As for the about section - I can't stress enough how important transparent page/data/info edits are on a community website from my point of view...
The about/info section should be similarly transparent to bottle edits, and the about section needs to editable/format-able in better ways (or there should be a style template to avoid 100s of different approaches for how to present the info/data), be transparent about the edits (twiki style logs), have a link section (more than 1 link) to good resources (collectors, knowledge/articles/news, etc).

I'm not sure if WB needs to store its own historic data/anecdotes/trivia, etc as most exists elsewhere and one could run into copyright issues quickly if anyone can just copy anything (as is now with the about section) ... it might be actually better to limit this, and link to external sources for exact information (wikipedia, whiskyfun trivia, maltmadness info, etc).

c.

Remember - whisky scores and impressions are highly subjective and situational by nature - so don't go and buy whisky according to someone else's taste...
karloff
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 25-10-2015 at 00:02 am

Some great ideas there Alectron, as for running into copyright trouble,I don't think anyone would give a shit, we are not ripping up songs or movies.The About is pretty basic and could do with some of your ideas.

Whisky,no doubt, is a Devil; but why has this Devil so many worshippers?
Schmausel
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 25-10-2015 at 00:09 am

give the price of an bottle a more historical look, so you may can see how it developed over time. 

maybe you can put in the FAQ also a rules topic so everyone can read it and you dont have to explain a hundred times why you for e.g. you denied or rejected something. Then you just can put a note like as per rule no. xx

 

  Edited on 25-10-2015 at 00:13 am
z-imaging
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 25-10-2015 at 00:13 am
karloff wrote:

The email Trash box, at the moment there is no way you can empty it, this is a concern for a lot of people. Can this be fixed in v4.


+1

Any ideas to rework the mobile version? The current one is almost unusable...

z-imaging
Connoisseur Connoisseur
Posted on 25-10-2015 at 00:22 am
Schmausel wrote:

give the price of an bottle a more historical look, so you may can see how it developed over time. 


 

This will be a very good addition especially if the auction prices can be taken into account. But there should be some kind of protection if someone wants to contort the prices with fake data

St. Pauli
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 25-10-2015 at 11:06 am
z-imaging wrote:
Schmausel wrote:

give the price of an bottle a more historical look, so you may can see how it developed over time. 


 

This will be a very good addition especially if the auction prices can be taken into account. But there should be some kind of protection if someone wants to contort the prices with fake data



+1

Do you mean with better search functions that the forum will also have a separate search? It was raised in a recent forum topic and I must say I think it's a good idea, because will probably reduce double topics and l it makes it easier for people to find the help they are looking for.

Cheers! Paul
Schmausel
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 25-10-2015 at 11:34 am

my concerns where just about the bottle search but the forum-search would also be a great advance wink


*thumpsup*
Bachess
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 26-10-2015 at 11:08 am
karloff wrote:

Please could you put a date in the top left hand corner of the reviews,tasting notes etc. Instead of a couple of days,months,years ago. It would be nice to look back and see when you exactly put them on. It could also give you an idea of your consumption.cheers


I agree, just a normal date back again

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Bachess
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 26-10-2015 at 11:13 am
alectron wrote:


As for the about section - I can't stress enough how important transparent page/data/info edits are on a community website from my point of view...
The about/info section should be similarly transparent to bottle edits, and the about section needs to editable/format-able in better ways (or there should be a style template to avoid 100s of different approaches for how to present the info/data), be transparent about the edits (twiki style logs), have a link section (more than 1 link) to good resources (collectors, knowledge/articles/news, etc).

I'm not sure if WB needs to store its own historic data/anecdotes/trivia, etc as most exists elsewhere and one could run into copyright issues quickly if anyone can just copy anything (as is now with the about section) ... it might be actually better to limit this, and link to external sources for exact information (wikipedia, whiskyfun trivia, maltmadness info, etc).

c.

What About section do you mean? the About on the Distilleries/ Brands/Bottlers (DBB) or something else?

We planned to make the About pages of the DBB more wiki style. The Specialists/ Moderators and Admins can edit those pages and add pics and text. On those pages there will be a timeline and the special things can be added on the timeline like new owners of the distillery, an extra still etc. Is that what you mean?




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Bachess
Super Administrator Super Administrator
Posted on 26-10-2015 at 11:16 am
Schmausel wrote:

give the price of an bottle a more historical look, so you may can see how it developed over time. 


 

Thats also a good point but i think it needs more time to develope so we plan this for version 4.1. We also want to use the auction prices and therefor we need to make some extra tools.



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St. Pauli
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 27-10-2015 at 11:22 am

Another one: would it be possible to receive alerts when a new bottling of a certain distillery is added to the whiskybase? Maybe this could be built in a sort of subscription system.

  Edited on 27-10-2015 at 17:00 pm
Cheers! Paul
Schmausel
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 27-10-2015 at 16:39 pm

+1

a very good idea wink
St. Pauli
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 28-10-2015 at 19:09 pm

Another one: would it be possible to export more than just your own wishlist to an excel file, including all standard info of all bottles (the info from the column next to the picture)?

Cheers! Paul
alectron
Specialist Specialist
Posted on 28-10-2015 at 19:31 pm
Bachess wrote:
alectron wrote:


As for the about section -...

I'm not sure if WB needs to store its own historic data/anecdotes/trivia, etc as most exists elsewhere and one could run into copyright issues quickly if anyone can just copy anything (as is now with the about section) ... it might be actually better to limit this, and link to external sources for exact information (wikipedia, whiskyfun trivia, maltmadness info, etc).

c.

What About section do you mean? the About on the Distilleries/ Brands/Bottlers (DBB) or something else?

We planned to make the About pages of the DBB more wiki style. The Specialists/ Moderators and Admins can edit those pages and add pics and text. On those pages there will be a timeline and the special things can be added on the timeline like new owners of the distillery, an extra still etc. Is that what you mean?

Yup, that's the About section I meant as it is the only place to park any information about a brand/distillery atm.
The timeline you mention sounds interesting - but, this broadens the info represented on WB further and that's my argument mentioned above (in short) against it:
There is a lot of very well researched websites/resources already for Distilleries history/dates/anecdotes/etc, why not link to them directly in the About section, give them the credit on the work they have done, and don't try to reinvent the wheel for what has already been done a 100 times in various forms ! I.e. if I want distillery information I look at other websites / or books a la Misaki Udo's. SImple as that. And if Whiskybase wants to become an authority inn that area, there is a lot of work to be done...

In my eyes, whiskybase should focus on it's specialty & unique approach instead - collecting information about specific whisky bottles in as much detail and accuracy as possible, and do that well !!! Whereas as you know, I think there's still a lot of shortcomings that need fixing/adjusting with just that... ( i.e. most of these are still valid today - although some have been addressed... https://www.whiskybase.com/group/70/topic/11767/next-whiskybase-version)
My 0.02 cents.

/irony on

Also, since Whiskybase is commercial now and not a community platform anaymore, I should start charging for the time I have invested in whiskybase...

/irony off



As for other features mentioned above:

St. Pauli wrote:

Another one: would it be possible to receive alerts when a new bottling of a certain distillery is added to the whiskybase? Maybe this could be built in a sort of subscription system.

+1.
https://www.whiskybase.com/group/71/topic/14617/front-page-widgets-customize-info-stream


Bachess wrote:
Schmausel wrote:

give frontpage widgets an option to see the last 30,40 or 100 entries (at the moment you cant see for e.g. at the a last added bottles only 10, but if you are 2 days not online you miss maybe something; other widgets have the same Problem)    

Thats a nice idea, we want to make the widgets more editable so the user can adjust it more to his needs.

+1 - there was a thread somewhere requesting a subscription system for widgets as well, if I remember correcltly - there was no reply either.



Also, although this should go into the fix-it thread - fix quoting on the forum. Hardly anyone does use the existing quote feature correctly and we end up with a mess of statements from different users inside of quotes regulraly, making it close to impossible to read properly, and just going by how often this happens, it is a problem.

Churs.
c.

  Edited on 28-10-2015 at 19:58 pm
Remember - whisky scores and impressions are highly subjective and situational by nature - so don't go and buy whisky according to someone else's taste...
wekke
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 29-10-2015 at 00:47 am

Hello,

would it be possible to add some more currency's to the shoplink section.

swiss franc, danish krone, etc... ???

greetings

  Edited on 29-10-2015 at 00:47 am
“I like my whisky old and my women young.”
St. Pauli
Expert Senior Senior Expert
Posted on 29-10-2015 at 07:57 am

Menno: did you mean with increased search functions also mean that it will be possible to filter results (e.g. filter in order to see just single cask whiskies or non-chillfiltered whiskies)? If not, this could also be a valuable new feature.

Cheers! Paul
Telim tor
Moderator Moderator
Posted on 29-10-2015 at 09:23 am

It would be really helpful to have the improved search functions also for shops, bars etc.

It is that much laboriuos to navigate to shop by clicking trough dozens of sites....
And it would also be nice to toggle the bottlers on the map. Since almost every wine shop in central europe is - in the meantime -  listed as bottler (because they bottled a single whisky) the bottler icon becomes more and more present on the map - without a chance to make it invisible....

  Edited on 19-11-2015 at 16:24 pm
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